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    Here is another shooting. Fashion Island. I live 15 mins away from there.

    What is wrong with people? This dude just started shooting in the air.50 rounds...
    I live 15 mins away from there.
    http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/16...air/?hpt=hp_t3

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    @Sticky, feel free to merge this thread with the other related ones if you like.

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    And they say 2012 is BS. What's more disastrous than seeing a race putting an end to it's life?

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    Heard about this right before I went down to Newport Beach. I always considered these things isolated but no so much lately...

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    The mall, the school, the parking lot? Goddamn, all in the time period of a month or so?
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    Had another shooting in fort myers (about 15 minutes from where I live) yesterday.




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    its wackos that want to get guns banned, so they draw attention..

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    I truly believe it's such a broad argument and both sides have valid points. Cigarets kill people too. It's just a matter of personal choice to hurt others. One thing should be noted tho. Family values are not what they used to be. Children are not groomed and raised in the old fashion way so they can easily differentiate between bad and good.
    Common sense doesn't exist anymore. We have to look at the root causes. The Society.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Trojan4evr Click here to enlarge
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    Family values are not what they used to be. Children are not groomed and raised in the old fashion way so they can easily differentiate between bad and good.
    Common sense doesn't exist anymore. We have to look at the root causes. The Society.
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    Thank you sir.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
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    I have been saying that for days! Click here to enlarge
    and i agree, but you wont get repped w/o buying those tires..

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    Obviously, California needs to tighten up their super-lax gun laws. Click here to enlarge
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    Video of the shooting.



    The main problem with gun ownership in the US IMO is that there now are so many people that own a gun that the general perception is that it is safer to own a gun then to not own a gun. Which is wrong for so many reasons. 33 people per day/48.000 per year die in the US due to gun related incidents. That is more than the entire death toll of the US in Vietnam...

    That being said, I can not think of one single reason why anyone would/should be allowed to own an assault rifle.
    Can anyone enlighten me on that?
    Why would you need one?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
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    48.000 per year
    Mmm, 48.000 is a tad high, even including all gun related suicides the total death by bullet is closer to 27.000.
    Comes to show you better not believe everything a reporter says on the news.
    Good site for gun statistics in the USA.


    Number of Privately Owned Firearms
    The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in the United States is 270,000,0001
    Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population
    The rate of private gun ownership in the United States is 88.82 firearms per 100 people
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    Number of Privately Owned Firearms - World Ranking
    In a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, the United States ranked at No. 1
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    Rate of Privately Owned Firearms per 100 Population - World Ranking
    In a comparison of the rate of private gun ownership in 179 countries, the United States ranked at No. 1
    Government Guns
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    Number of Military Firearms
    The defence forces of the United States are reported to have 3,054,553 firearms
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    Number of Law Enforcement Firearms
    Police in the United States are reported to have 897,4004 firearms
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    Number of Homicides (any method)
    ChartIn the United States, annual homicides by any means total

    2010: 14,1595
    2009: 15,241
    2008: 16,272
    2007: 16,929
    2006: 17,030
    2005: 16,740
    2004: 16,148
    2003: 16,528
    2002: 16,229
    2001: 16,037
    2000: 15,586
    1999: 12,6586 7
    1998: 14,276
    1997: 18,2088 7
    1996: 19,645
    1995: 21,606
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    Rate of Homicide per 100,000 People (any method)
    ChartIn the United States, the annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population is

    2010: 4.67
    2009: 4.965
    2008: 5.35
    2007: 5.61
    2006: 5.70
    2005: 5.66
    2004: 5.51
    2003: 5.69
    2002: 5.64
    2001: 5.63
    2000: 5.52
    1999: 4.556 7
    1998: 5.19
    1997: 6.77
    1996: 7.3
    1995: 8.1
    1993: 9.939
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    Number of Gun Homicides
    ChartIn the United States, annual firearm homicides total

    2009: 9,1467
    2008: 9,48410 7
    2007: 10,129
    2006: 10,225
    2005: 10,158
    2004: 9,385
    2003: 9,6597
    2002: 9,36911
    2001: 8,890
    1999: 8,2596
    1998: 9,257
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    ah yes...statistics you can spin numbers anyway one wishes.

    IMO Gun ownership laws need to be revised to keep pace with the changing values of American society.

    What was the NRA's slogan many years ago...'guns don't kill people....' well I agree however as we see, young adults are killing people so there is where the regulation is needed.
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    Guns don't kill people, but guns provide an opportunity though. Any disturbed kid with the key to moms gun closet can start a killing spree.
    With no guns available this thread is non exsistant.
    None of these killing sprees are done by criminals, most are done by troubled young people who should not have access to those kind of weapons...
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    ^ my words exactly. Additionnally, guns make the killing far too "easy" (although these words should not be used together, but that's how it is, sadly). Stabbing even just one person with a knife requires a whole different level of personal involvment compared to pulling the trigger of a rifle.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
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    That being said, I can not think of one single reason why anyone would/should be allowed to own an assault rifle.
    Can anyone enlighten me on that?
    Why would you need one?
    If you were recording that video you would want one.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
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    33 people per day/48.000 per year die in the US due to gun related incidents. That is more than the entire death toll of the US in Vietnam...

    That being said, I can not think of one single reason why anyone would/should be allowed to own an assault rifle.
    Can anyone enlighten me on that?
    Why would you need one?
    pleqse define assault rifle, as it means different things to different people.

    In 2007, out of 40,321 deaths related to firearms, the number of homicides was 12,489. An additional fraction of that is accidental deaths. 27,569 deaths were suicide, which I think we can agree would take place even if the person didn't have access to a gun. Pls see page 11 if you wish to verify the stats.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr58/nvsr58_19.pdf

    Also on page 11, we see that 42,000 people were killed in automobile accidents, more than 3x the number of homicide fatalities by gun. For something that isn't supposed to be deadly, this is a troubling figure.

    Can we all agree that speed and alcohol or other distracted driving are the main drivers of this statistic? Can we also agree that alcohol has no benefit to society? When combined with driving, alcohol can be fatal. Even alone, alcohol contributes to other forms of disease, which costs all of society.

    We already have laws in place to control both speeding and drunken driving. We can obviously do better.

    We need firmer controls on liquor. We need more stringent licensing and testing laws for motor vehicles.

    Everyone should have an alcohol interlock device on their car to prevent drunk driving.

    Why does anyone need a car with 500hp, and that accelerates to 60 in under 8 seconds? nobody needs that, they should all be banned.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
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    Everyone should have an alcohol interlock device on their car to prevent drunk driving.
    I bet the company making interlock devices is already pushing for it.

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    I bet the company making interlock devices is already pushing for it.
    No doubt. It's easy for people to pass laws requiring trigger locks be sold with all guns, and laws to put people in jail if they aren't used.

    If we suggested a law requiring alcohol interlocks on cars, what do you think would happen?
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    If we suggested a law requiring alcohol interlocks on cars, what do you think would happen?
    PC people would be all about it. Insurance companies would like it. Interlock device providers would be all about it.

    Alcohol related driving deaths would no doubt go way down. We would all be safer on the road.

    It would be yet another choice taken away from you as an individual though.

    The benefits despite the choice being made for you are great. They should already be mandatory on buses, planes, etc., or any form of public transportation.

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    People would remove the devices from their cars.

    People would take their kids to the bar and have the kid breathe into the tube to start the car, and then drive drunk with their kid in the car.

    People would pay a stranger $20 to blow into the tube. Or threaten them with violence.

    In the meantime, the rest of us that drink responsibly, or that don't drink at all, would have to blow in the tube every time they go to start the car.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
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    People would remove the devices from their cars.

    People would take their kids to the bar and have the kid breathe into the tube to start the car, and then drive drunk with their kid in the car.

    People would pay a stranger $20 to blow into the tube. Or threaten them with violence.
    All valid points.

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    In the meantime, the rest of us that drink responsibly, or that don't drink at all, would have to blow in the tube every time they go to start the car.
    Valid as well.

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