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Thread: Article: Tuned Mercedes M278 Twin Turbo on par with a tuned BMW S85 V10? EVotech tuned E60 M5 versus PP-P Performance W218 CLS500/550

              
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    '12 CLS550 vs E60 M5..

    Crazy how fast these new V8 twin turbo are when tuned! This thing is neck and neck with E60 M5, not sure of the extent in mods.
    ///M5 LCI
    "It's like the F10 is the 911 Turbo to the E60's GT3" -Pistonheads (M5 feature)

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    Pretty crazy for a non AMG car. The M5 owner needs to call Evolve though for a real tune.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
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    Pretty crazy for a non AMG car. The M5 owner needs to call Evolve though for a real tune.
    Yea by far the best tune that seems to be available.. Some evolve headers aswell!
    ///M5 LCI
    "It's like the F10 is the 911 Turbo to the E60's GT3" -Pistonheads (M5 feature)

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    But the BIG picture IS, a NON AMG car with a tune is now a competitor to M's.

    I hope BMW raises the bar SOON.

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    Tuned Mercedes M278 Twin Turbo on par with a tuned BMW S85 V10? EVotech tuned E60 M5 versus PP-P Performance W218 CLS500/550

    The BMW E60 M5 in stock form is stronger than the new twin turbo 550 models from Mercedes and its strength really is the top end. Well, the new Twin Turbo motors are changing the game as this video shows as with a tune the M278 V8 is not only on par with an S85 V10 but one that also is tuned. Turbos definitely make that possible. In stock form the M278 puts out about 40 less wheel horsepower than the BMW S85 V10 which is in the 420 wheel horsepower range stock.

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    With a tune however, Renntech has shown the M278 can get up to the 480 wheel range. This is just a bit more than the S85 V10 can hit with just a tune. The end result is two tune only cars that are fairly evenly matched as the video below shows. The M278 definitely is an impressive motor.


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mramg1 Click here to enlarge
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    But the BIG picture IS, a NON AMG car with a tune is now a competitor to M's.

    I hope BMW raises the bar SOON.
    It's not really a competitor it's a tuned car that can run similar in a straight line. Is a Mitsubishi EVO an AMG competitors because tuned ones could keep up with AMG's?

    BMW has raised the bar significantly with their turbo motors. This car is running an M5 that is now outdated. It would be like a new 550i with a tune beating up on an older E55.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    It's not really a competitor it's a tuned car that can run similar in a straight line. Is a Mitsubishi EVO an AMG competitors because tuned ones could keep up with AMG's?

    BMW has raised the bar significantly with their turbo motors. This car is running an M5 that is now outdated. It would be like a new 550i with a tune beating up on an older E55.
    Hey my friend, I know what you are saying, but to be fair I don't see any 2012 35 series tuned only beating up on an old AMG?

    If you can show me a tuned only 335, 535, 135, beating an E55, SL, S or ANY AMG I would be more inclined to agree with you.

    Otherwise, BMW better get their act together for their tomorrow, IMHO.

    PS: I love the idea that you are already writing off the V10 engineClick here to enlarge

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    Turbo's make things unfair.

    Nice sig OP BTW, the ML looks nice. Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mramg1 Click here to enlarge
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    but to be fair I don't see any 2012 35 series tuned only beating up on an old AMG?
    A tuned N54 will run with an E55. The 550's will as well just like this car did.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mramg1 Click here to enlarge
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    Otherwise, BMW better get their act together for their tomorrow, IMHO.
    But the new M5 is faster than the E63... and puts out more power than even the E63 with the performance package. And it has a dual clutch transmission...

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    PS: I love the idea that you are already writing off the V10 engine
    Not at all it's the better motor it just happens to be naturally aspirated which is working against it for straight power potential. With a little boost...

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    Really curious to see what this race would have looked like with an M157? LOL

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    not to be rude, but the 335 eats M3's... Maybe i was missing the point




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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
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    Really curious to see what this race would have looked like with an M157? LOL
    Bus lengths.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
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    not to be rude, but the 335 eats M3's... Maybe i was missing the point
    Doesn't eat them, don't be absurd.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    1. A tuned N54 will run with an E55. The 550's will as well just like this car did.



    2. But the new M5 is faster than the E63... and puts out more power than even the E63 with the performance package. And it has a dual clutch transmission...



    3.Not at all it's the better motor it just happens to be naturally aspirated which is working against it for straight power potential. With a little boost...
    1. Are you sure about that one my friend? After we are talking TUNE only, no down pipes, HE, etc, etc.

    2. I looked it up and yes you are correct, by 3 horsepowerClick here to enlarge Just sayin. Note: 0-100km are the same at 4.3.

    3. Well, this was the one that moved me away from BMW in the first place. Have to love the boost. In ANY form. I loved my whipples for over 15 years, but twin snails have grown on me as of lateClick here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mramg1 Click here to enlarge
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    1. Are you sure about that one my friend? After we are talking TUNE only, no down pipes, HE, etc, etc.
    Yes, with E85 and such now they are getting close to 400's to the wheels.

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    2. I looked it up and yes you are correct, by 3 horsepower Just sayin. Note: 0-100km are the same at 4.3.
    0-60 is a traction limited stat. The M5 is the faster car stock than the E63 and as stated does put out more power with a faster transmission.

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    3. Well, this was the one that moved me away from BMW in the first place. Have to love the boost. In ANY form. I loved my whipples for over 15 years, but twin snails have grown on me as of late
    They went for fuel economy and such. I'm a big fan of the naturally aspirated motors, kind of boring everyone is now doing the same thing.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    1. Yes, with E85 and such now they are getting close to 400's to the wheels.



    2. 0-60 is a traction limited stat. The M5 is the faster car stock than the E63 and as stated does put out more power with a faster transmission.



    3. They went for fuel economy and such. I'm a big fan of the naturally aspirated motors, kind of boring everyone is now doing the same thing.

    Come on Joe, on #1 is E85 and other things really tuned only? I have a friend on another board that ran 11.78 with an E55 TUNE only. Okay sticky tires, but NO pulley, HE, race gas, etc, etc.

    2. So are you saying that the M5 is MORE traction limited than an E63, REALLY?

    3. Sorry, I have, and ALWAYS will be a BIG believer in FI, just like my AOL name suggests, LOL

    Anyway not busting your stones my friend, but I am VERY impressed with the new MB, and THANK you BMW for finally seeing the light with FI, IMHO.

    ENOUGH PICKERY, LETS DRINK!!!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mramg1 Click here to enlarge
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    2. So are you saying that the M5 is MORE traction limited than an E63, REALLY?
    No I'm saying the stat is traction limited as a whole, it's pretty much useless these days.

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    Come on Joe, on #1 is E85 and other things really tuned only? I have a friend on another board that ran 11.78 with an E55 TUNE only. Okay sticky tires, but NO pulley, HE, race gas, etc, etc.
    I'm just saying the twin turbo BMW's are quite strong. Obviously the 335i is not an M car and is positioned beneath them but the fact it can run with an E55's depending on on the mods and then some is pretty impressive. So not sure what you mean by BMW needs to up their game, their current forced induction offerings are just fine and stronger than Mercedes'.

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    3. Sorry, I have, and ALWAYS will be a BIG believer in FI, just like my AOL name suggests, LOL
    I like FI I just like forced induction with a motor that is efficient without boost as well. Like a supercharger on an M3 for example, like my car.

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    Anyway not busting your stones my friend, but I am VERY impressed with the new MB, and THANK you BMW for finally seeing the light with FI, IMHO.
    Don't think you are busting my balls at all, just a discussion. IMO these moves are for MPG and for lowering costs across the board.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mramg1 Click here to enlarge
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    Come on Joe, on #1 is E85 and other things really tuned only? I have a friend on another board that ran 11.78 with an E55 TUNE only. Okay sticky tires, but NO pulley, HE, race gas, etc, etc.
    So it ran 11.80 with sticky tires and a tune? I've seen w211 e55's run 12.0 bone stock. Tires and tune didnt really do that much it seems...Whereas with an N54 car, its possible that you can go from being a low 13 second car to around a 12.1 car with just tune and e85. There was a guy a while ago that went 12.0 @ 115 with just a tune and gas, street tires. This was on the old jb3 tune too. Some of these tune+e85 N54 cars are putting out 415whp, which is more or less the same power e55's put down stock, with about 400-500 pounds less weight. Meth/intake filter/tune cars were doing the same thing and same times 2 years ago.


    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mramg1 Click here to enlarge
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    Anyway not busting your stones my friend, but I am VERY impressed with the new MB, and THANK you BMW for finally seeing the light with FI, IMHO.
    I am impressed with the new mb cars as well. Very fast.
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