• APR Stage IV GTI with GT28 turbocharger versus GT35r upgrade Misubishi Evo 8 roll races

                    
      		   
      Published on 12-12-2012 08:21 PM
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      This is an interesting matchup between two cars with similar sized and turbocharged four cylinder motors. The main difference here being that the GTI has front wheel drive and the Evo 8 is an all wheel drive vehicle. The front wheel drive layout of the GTI actually helps it in this race despite its smaller turbo due to lower drivetrain losses as it is able to pull the Mitsubishi Evo in a couple of the videos although it is very close between the two.


      The GTI is an APR shop car said to be Stage 4 which likely includes built motor and heads. The Evo 8 has a GT35r turbo at 21 psi. Both cars are on pump gas. The Evo is said to have 427 horsepower and the GTI is around 385 horsepower. Videos are below.







      This article was originally published in forum thread: GT35r evo 8 vs GT28 GTI started by bigdnno98 View original post
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      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 - 12-01-2012, 11:07 PM
        You've already got the Walbro & upgraded Injectors -- Get that EVO running on straight E85 & smoke that GTI
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 - 12-01-2012, 11:22 PM
        i haven't decided on the injectors or meth yet. i have the 400lph walboro that i was gonna put in the 335i but i can't figure out which injectors are best for e85 so i think i'm going meth.
      1. RnmEvo9's Avatar
        RnmEvo9 - 12-02-2012, 01:38 AM
        As a former Evo owner, please do not run meth if you have E85 available in your area. What size injectors do you currently have right now with your setup? Actually, what is the full setup that you have?

        For the record, with RC 1000cc injectors, walbro fuel pump, full turboback exhaust, ets intercooler, forge mbc, perrin intake and a custom flash tune for e85, I made 414awhp/404awtq on stock turbo. With that GT35r kit, you definitely have the potential to reach around 600awhp with high boost, but you just might need larger flowing injectors if you were to run E85 (trust me, its sooooooooo worth it).

        Damn I miss my Evo....Click here to enlarge
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 - 12-02-2012, 01:45 AM
        Was gonna say, look what this built motor/stock turbo E85 EVO did to LMs M3 & an ESS 600


        Video shot from the EVO:


        Bottom Line: E85 FTW
      1. RnmEvo9's Avatar
        RnmEvo9 - 12-02-2012, 02:04 AM


        This is only a stock frame upgraded turbo on E85. A GT35r kit on E85 would be heaven. Click here to enlarge
      1. DBFIU's Avatar
        DBFIU - 12-02-2012, 03:16 AM
        well $#@! maybe i need to get an evo...
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 - 12-02-2012, 03:32 AM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
        well $#@! maybe i need to get an evo...
        I wanted one.. still want one lol.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer - 12-02-2012, 07:20 AM
        Still want an EVO... The OP vid the EVO didn't seem very fast. But the latter two were sick
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 - 12-02-2012, 08:39 AM
        My current setup. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

        2003 Mitsubishi Evolution in Mint Condition
        Black on Black interior
        Evo MR Black Recaro seats
        72k miles
        Car is DynoTuned on ecuflash making 427whp at 21 lbs on pump gas
        Appearance:
        18" ADVAN RS wheels on Nitto NT05 tires
        Evo 7 Taillights
        Swift Springs
        Alpine IDA X001 Radio
        Yellow Fogs, Stock HIDs


        Performance:
        HKS 272 cams
        Supertech dual valve springs
        ARP head studs
        RNR GT35R turbo kit
        RNR Manifold
        GT3582R turbo
        Tial Wastegate, recirculated into downpipe
        RS-R 3" downpipe stainless
        Full 3" exhaust Apexi muffler
        Race Front mount - 4" Precision Core
        Stainless Polished IC Piping
        HKS Race Bov Recirculated
        Dejon intake w/ k&n filter
        Precision 1000cc Injectors
        Walbro 255lph
        Koyo Aluminum Radiator
        EXEDY Twin-Plate Clutch
        Small Battery Kit
        Greddy Profec-B Spec 2 Electronic Boost Controller
        Zeitronix wideband
        Project Mu Brakepads front/rear
        Amsoil Fluids in trans/t-case/rearend
        RoyalPurple XPR oil in engine
      1. crazylegs's Avatar
        crazylegs - 12-02-2012, 10:01 AM
        Some ID2000 =) maybe more boost always things to do lol
      1. RnmEvo9's Avatar
        RnmEvo9 - 12-02-2012, 10:26 AM
        Since you don't have upgraded pistons/rods, I personally wouldn't go too crazy if this is your daily driver. Stock pistons/rods are generally good up to 400awtq, anything more than that, well then you are just playing a game of russian roulette.

        With a larger set of injectors (2000cc seems plenty) and a custom retune on e85, you will make a lot of power and still be able to ramp up the torque gradually so you don't shock your drivetrain components while still keeping it safe with your stock pistons/rods.
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 - 12-02-2012, 11:14 AM
        Previous owner isn't sure if the internals are built or not. He said the gaskets are not stock but he never took it apart. I'm going out of town tomorrow so i've decided to drop the car of at my shop for the week and have them drop the oil pan to see if the rods are stock or not. I've ordered FIC 1250s in preparation for a custom e85 tune. I'm looking hard for a used transfer case i can buy and send to shep for rebuild. This one is stock and is a little noisy. Worries me a little.
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 - 12-03-2012, 08:00 AM
        LMFAO! Just noticed the boost controller is on LO setting. 15psi LOL! Rematch coming next weekend Click here to enlarge
      1. lulz_m3's Avatar
        lulz_m3 - 12-03-2012, 08:47 AM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
        LMFAO! Just noticed the boost controller is on LO setting. 15psi LOL! Rematch coming next weekend Click here to enlarge
        Care to write a review of your impressions from going from a 335 to the Evo? Congrats on the new car btw!
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 - 12-03-2012, 09:42 AM
        No prob. Let me get it to the 1/4mi this sat so I can compare that too.
      1. b00st's Avatar
        b00st - 12-03-2012, 06:23 PM
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
        Previous owner isn't sure if the internals are built or not. He said the gaskets are not stock but he never took it apart. I'm going out of town tomorrow so i've decided to drop the car of at my shop for the week and have them drop the oil pan to see if the rods are stock or not. I've ordered FIC 1250s in preparation for a custom e85 tune. I'm looking hard for a used transfer case i can buy and send to shep for rebuild. This one is stock and is a little noisy. Worries me a little.
        A built transfer case, and a built trans will be your best friends on that platform. Shep is the way to go. You've already got a Twin Disc, so address the other common faults before they break. It's much easier that way, especially if you plan to track the car and launch it frequently. I would also suggest ditching those HKS cams and picking up some Kelfords. You seem to be running fairly low boost as well. For what it's worth, I daily drove a 400whp Evo IX for about 3 years before this car. I know there's some other knowledgeable former Evo owners on here as well, but feel free to pm me if you've got any questions about the platform. My car was a full bolt on, cammed, FP Red car on a safe daily driver tune. Rnm is right about playing Russian roulette with torque any higher than 400(depending on the dyno). My tuner's rule for Evos was 400whp is a solid, reliable DD, but anything over that and you will start finding weaknesses. But with that said, I have a friend that beat the hell out of his 600+ whp Evo VIII for 2-3 summers, making 10.0 passes and the only thing that took the stock block out was a failure with a fuel pump and the car went way lean at the drag strip.
      1. maristgrad09's Avatar
        maristgrad09 - 12-03-2012, 07:32 PM
        TURN THAT BOOST UP!
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 - 12-03-2012, 07:35 PM
        AC compressor clutch exploded this morning. I thought I threw a rod bearing the car was running so bad LOL. I was supposed to hit the 1/4mi this weekend but not sure it'll be fixed by then. If not, it'll be getting FIC 1250cc injectors, 400lph Walboro e85 pump, Omni 4 bar, AEM adjustable cam gears, FP HTA 3586r billet turbo, and I'm thinking new cams after many recomendations of ditching the HKS, then new pump and e85 tunes.
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 - 12-03-2012, 09:04 PM
        What do you guys think about HKS 280/280 cams? I know GSC S2 and Kellford 272/272 are the industry standard for high HP 4G63 right now. I can get a pretty good deal on the HKS 280/280 and figure they have to perform similar to the Kellford 272/272. Do you think the idle will suck too bad to DD the HKS 280/280?
      1. RnmEvo9's Avatar
        RnmEvo9 - 12-03-2012, 09:47 PM
        The idle on HKS 280/280 really won't be that bad if you ask your tuner to adjust it. Its going to lope no matter what, but its definitely not as bad as you might think.

        If you can get a really good deal on them, then I'd personally jump on them.

        Let us know how the rest of your setup comes about!
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